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My name is ElaineI am a Culdee, which is a mixture of Irish Catholicism and Ancient Druidic Beliefs. The Church of Rome attempted to wipe us out in the 4th and 5th century and declared us Heretics. They missed a few. Family tradition, family grove, initiated at 7 and reached Teacher at 27 (sort of like a High Priestess and not because it involves teaching The Path and shared rituals.)
I am Cherokee (South East Cherokee Nation) and Irish. I am also a member of AIM and Irish Northern Aid. I try not to be hobbled by foolish consistency. It's nice to meet you all
I am Cherokee (South East Cherokee Nation) and Irish. I am also a member of AIM and Irish Northern Aid. I try not to be hobbled by foolish consistency. It's nice to meet you all
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Re: Cead Mile Failte
Mon, January 19, 2004 - 7:39 PMStephen Lawhead's books should be of intrest to anyone intrested in celtic christianity, his pendragon cycle(celtic king arthur) and celtic crusades books are good, but I think that his Song of Albion trilogy is the best and worth while read for anyone. -
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Re: Cead Mile Failte
Tue, January 20, 2004 - 4:28 PMPersonally I think Guy Gavriel Kay's Fionavar Trilogy really captures the Celtic mentallity. Lawhead was good, but let's not forget about Tom Deitz.
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Re: Cead Mile Failte
Fri, January 19, 2007 - 12:26 PMLawhead and Morgan Llwelyn are very hsitorically accurate; they are the only fictional authors I read (I have read them all). I highly recommend the Lawhead's Celtic Crusades (especially if you like the Da Vinci Code), and all of Llwelyn's works are great, but particullary "Druids" . . .
Anam Cara
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Lawhead
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morgan_Llywelyn
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Re: Cead Mile Failte
Fri, January 19, 2007 - 11:00 AMhi Elaine,
i'm new to this tribe, and so like to go back over old posts to see whats been happening.
I was stunned when i read this post as i've never heard of Culdee, and would be very interested to know more. Maybe you could outline some of the main points of Culdee culture, it's history, and how it diverges from mainstream Catholicism, or more importantly what remains of druidic culture.
How many practising Culdee do you think are in existence today?
I recently came across a book called ' A Celtic Book of Dying - watching with the dying, travelling with the dead' by Phylilida Anam Aire. In the book she quotes an old prayer or chant from the Celtic Church which starts with the words 'May God and his wife bless you'
which i found intrigueing. In fact the whole book was really interesting in it's mix of Celtic and Christian belief and in it's practical application of an old Celtic tradition of watching with the dying soul to ease the transition in passing to the Other Realm.
Anyway, back to Culdee. Would you share with us of this unique culture?
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Re: Cead Mile Failte
Fri, January 19, 2007 - 12:35 PMPersonally, I am surprised this Tribe is not more active . . . I know there is a huge Celtic Spirituality movement, especially in America, but it seems rather fractured and disorganized (pulled into Druidism, Wiccan and various Pagan directions instead of focusing on Celtic wisdom). Any one else seeing this??? Anam Cara, Bonnie -
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Re: Cead Mile Failte
Fri, January 19, 2007 - 12:59 PMhi,
i was interested in what you wrote here, as i thought druidism, wiccan, and paganism were part of Celtic tradition. Am i completely off the track? I believe a lot of people are trying to find there way back to a form of indigineity, a way of being in tune with and working with the land, and hence the huge upsurge in interest in these old ways and traditions. If you have Celtic wisdom to share - would be open to hearing more.
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Re: Cead Mile Failte
Fri, January 19, 2007 - 2:42 PMDéithe Dhuit a Phauline,
Actually Wiccan isn't Celtic, please see references here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wicca though it is often confused as being so or so derived, Gardener might have brought in some Celtic aspects - but the tradition doesn't go back even 100 years. Also with regards to "druidism, wiccan, and paganism were part of Celtic tradition. " Technically pagan refers to non Christian traditions, maybe not by modern definitions, but certainly with respect to the "Old Ways" in the old days. For example, worshipers of Odin and worshipers of Dagda would all be considered pagans, but only the later would be Celtic. So pagan isn't very specific with regards to non-Christian traditions.
Do maith agus líth duit!
~MP
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Re: Cead Mile Failte
Fri, January 19, 2007 - 4:26 PMHi Pauline,
just wanted to quickly clarify my comment . . .
Druidism was the priesthood in Celtic cultures, but you didn't have to be a Druid to experience Celtic spirituality. Many Druid groups today stem from an invention from the Victorian's imagination; it would be great if there still exists links to original Druid lore, but since they avoided the written language, much of that is lost to us . . .
Wiccan grew out of ancient Celtic spirituality during the Dark and Middle Ages, but also includes numerous other cultural influences including Anglo-Saxon and Scandinavian, among others. While this is not a bad thing, it is not wholly Celtic in origin . . .
The Celts were Pagan in that that they believed in multiply Gods and Goddess, but not all Pagans are following a Celtic path . . .
So while all these paths can be found within Celtic spirituality, in and of themselves they are not wholly Celtic. Personally, I have not chosen these paths (Druidism and Wiccan) because of their almost "religious" and "dogmatic" nature, too many rules, and structures; also, especially with Paganism and Wiccan, they can boarder on "Occultism and Satanism", which is a line I choose not to cross.
Celtic history is very ancient (roughly 1000BC-50BC in Europe, and 500AD in Britain). We think of "Celtic" (actually a catch-all word that is just as in appropriate as calling the Native Americans, Indians) as anything Irish, Scottish, Cornish, Welsh, Briton and Manx, but actually once included all of ancient Europe. However, thanks to the Roman "civilizations", and Latin "Christianization", ancient Celtic culture was nearly extinguished.
At the height of Insular Celtic history there was a shift to Celtic Christianity, which in its "non-Latin" form was a gentle blend of nature worship with Christ's original teachings, and not the hell and damnation, patriarchal mumbo jumbo that we call Christianity today. Most people don't know about the Celtic Church because the Latin Church wiped that out as well . . .
What "mainstream" information that has survived has been colored by Christianity, domestication, and centuries of domination by other cultures; so the neat things about Elaine's original post, is that not only did this ancient link survive, but that the basic structure of training, groves, and family traditions.
Anam Cara, Bonnie
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Re: Cead Mile Failte
Sat, January 20, 2007 - 12:58 PMhi,
thanks for the responses. pretty much what i thought anyway, but good to have it clarified. I'm interested in how indiginous peoples of Europe lived pre-christianity, and how indiginous peoples everywhere live today. I'm also interested in finding out more about the Celts as i am of Irish descent myself, but third generation living in the UK. So far most of what i've found out about the pre-christian Celts i don't much like. Head hunters and warring tribes, pastoralism and human sacrifice. Not very appealing, but then, as you say, much of it is coloured by who's writing the history.
I'm also not much inclined towards the neo-pagan, wiccan cultures that have recently emerged, for the same reasons as yourself. Druidic knowledge is more interesting, although again i don't like the idea of a priestly caste, and i'm aware that this knowledge has been lost, thats why i was so stunned to read Elaines post.
I am also interested in early christianity, including the Celtic Christian church.
Thanks again for the clarifications.
Beannacht leat , (my two words of Gaelic, thanks to Gypsy on the gaelic study tribe).
Pauline
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Re: Cead Mile Failte
Sun, January 28, 2007 - 11:47 AMWell, there's so many ways to express what is "Celtic" that person to person it will be a unique experience. I rather think the fragmented nature of the movement is to it's benefit. It draws in those who seek the path yet is not organized enough to draw resentment from more politically active movements.
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Re: Cead Mile Failte
Fri, January 19, 2007 - 12:32 PMElaine, thank you for sharing, it is nice to know that the old ways were not completely eradicated by the church; I would really be interested in learning from someone still connected, and would appreciate any further information or references you could give . . .
I have been working with John O'Donohue's Celtic Spirituality for many years, especially the Anam Cara (Soul Friend) series, and have found much wisdom in his words . . .
Anam Cara, Bonnie
www.jodonohue.com/
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Re: Cead Mile Failte
Fri, January 19, 2007 - 2:03 PMDéithe Dhuit
I've got a book on Culdee, called "Celt, Druid and Culdee" by Isabel Hill Elder agus Merch O Lundam Derri, which I thought was a bit interesting, though I am not personally religious or Christian. I'd love to read how you came into your knowledge, but also how you use it in these modern times and what effects it may have on your path.
Slán,
~MP
ps Yes Llewellyn is great, as for Lawhead after reading his book "Taliesin" I didn't bother with anything else he wrote, his "truths" and my "truths" are at odds.